What native birds or animals live in a pine plantation?
Is there really any life in a pine plantation? What long term effects if any do we know of when land is used as pine plantations for 60 plus years?
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Reptiles, snakes, goshawk and osprey both nest in tall pines in plantations. Nightjar, long-eared owl and bats. Looks like a double edge sword, pine trees can give off immune-boosting phytoncides, but also add to air pollution releasing tiny unseen particles into the air, roots and structural damage to home, grass doesn't tend to grow well near them, reseeding, pollen, one of the biggest bug bears is 24/7 trucking, when logging.
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★Stevo https://ibb.co/bgmbV8kV Ill look harder next time I didnt find any life the other day. -
dalcocono This link says the page doesn't exist.
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Here in the Sierras of CA/NV, all the same species that reside in the surrounding areas also live in the plantations. We have many ponderosa pine plantations in the local forests due to USFS timber sales contracts to clearcut and replant. The USFS decided that removal of the mixed forests in plots with replacement by ponderosa pines was economically beneficial to their agency, due to the high market value of the pines. Now however, the logging/sawmill industry in CA has been nearly destroyed by lawsuits against the USFS, and the results have been the huge fires we have seen burn thru the forests in CA. 2/6/25
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★Stevo
https://ibb.co/C5YM91cd I shut up because I thought they employed locals now they exploit the few they employ . plantions here dont support much life from what I can make out. If your bored a few pics of where I live might take 5 minuates viewing time lol. -
dalcocono
Your link took me to a page that had no photos at all, just more links -
★Stevo
https://valleypictures.imgbb.com/?page=2&seek=ymRKKFBn try that it should of been a picture . -
dalcocono
This one went to a site with 3 photos of cockatoos in trees and a museum with a car up on a pole. Not a single pine tree though -
★Stevo
https://valleypictures.imgbb.com/ try that thanks for letting me know the free image host dont work too well -
dalcocono
You're welcome. This one worked. I saw the dense planting there. That plantation hasn't been thinned out yet. Even so, birds, small mammals and reptiles will find a home in that thicket. -
★Stevo
whats thining out , I thnk they'll cut the lot at some point they wont do anything else. Is what they appear to do.. I thnk they were planeted about 10 years ago. No idea when they intend to cut them. Ill put the google map address into the next comment for amusement purposes. -
★Stevo
https://www.google.com/maps/@-38.1838518,146.4403154,3a,75y,270.48h,82.53t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHI6i2z3tmqfKx4rjxuGjIA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D7.467369122213526%26panoid%3DHI6i2z3tmqfKx4rjxuGjIA%26yaw%3D270.48324212899513!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDIwNS4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D -
★Stevo
the picture of the cockatoos in the tree was taken out the front of my house in town not in the plantation , Would masses of pine plantations have any connection to less water in the river -
★Stevo
ferral deer dont even live in plantations they dont appear to hide there eirther , -
★Stevo
https://www.nippondynawave.com/about-us/ who are Nippon Paper Group know any thng about what happens once they buy the mill and surrounding plantations? -
dalcocono
The photo of Tanjil road is a good picture. It looks like that forest is destined for pulp production. They might not thin it at all then. In my area, there is no pulpwood production. The plantations are mostly on USFS controlled ground and they go in and periodically thin and trim the trees for maximum growth, The plantations here are/were destined for timber production, not pulp. A little over 60 years ago, when I was a young guy, I used to work on restoration planting after fires or clearcuts. I helped replant many acres of pine forest in my area. Crews would periodically go in to the plantations and cut out some trees and trim the lower limbs on the remaining trees to eliminate knots from forming in the future lumber. I was amazed to see the growth of one of the plantations I helped to plant approx 25 years later, when I was part of the thinning crew that went in to "manicure" the plantation. The condition of the plantation you showed is overgrown and needing thinning to maximize tree growth potential. As far as trees causing the river levels to drop, I don't know. -
★Stevo
Are locals in the US allowed to drive around the plantion fire tracks or are they locked out by gates like we now are. I used to drive the toyota around the fire tracks only fun when wet of course . All 4 wheels spiinging throw mud in all directions, thye put getes up every where and lock us out now -
dalcocono
Young plantations are usually restricted as sensitive rehabilitation areas. After they get bigger and stronger, the USFS used to open the roads up again. In recent years though, the trend has been to close off or destroy old roads to keep the public out of public lands and concentrate them in the areas they want to us to use, for a fee of course. -
★Stevo
As the saw mill died over 10 years ago and I I've seen plenty of extentions on old hardwood buildings where the pine done 20 years ago is eaten by white ants. Im not sure our pine is any good for building. -
dalcocono
If white ants are the same as termites, then no wood is safe against them. Our sawmills are also nearly extinct in CA. The USFS would rather see it burn than see it milled. -
★Stevo
white ants termites same thing, they dont seam to eat the old hard wood that nails bend on rather than go in ,10 guage screws break off half way home. Unfortantely we run out of those forests around 1980. Saw mills here are few and far between now also. -
dalcocono
Did your people never replant what they took? Wood is a renewable resource. -
★Stevo
no they planted pine platations not the orginal gumtrees or what ever the native trees were, why I say no native animals birds or lizards live there. Some of the platations probly were cow paddocks that didn't do well for 40 years before they were platations -
★Stevo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sII5Y94Yu68 this may interest you. do they grow pine here as tasmain blue gum forests would burn before it was ever harvested most of the native hardwoods take 50 years minuman to grow -
dalcocono
That was an interesting video. We have known all the drawbacks to the eucalyptus trees for over 100 years and done nothing to mitigate the threat. I worked for a guy years ago who planted about 20-30 acres with eucalyptus for a firewood operation. We did some minor thinning and sold small wood to a few people, but the trees didn't grow fast enough to be profitable, and he died of old age waiting. The trees are still there, and some of the current owners cut and process them occasionally. They are hard to cut and really hard to split, but they make good wood once you have it stacked up and ready to burn. Just because trees take a long time to mature is not a reason to not plant them. IMHO -
★Stevo
I know off the axe bouncing back in you face on some hard woods some wood a mate brought over a while a go a brand new cheapie 14 inch chainsaw wouldn't even mark it. Currently around her due to winds last year theres 5 years worth of fire wood on the ground
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