Most people won't do that. They'll complain about their education and not work hard to overcome the beginning disadvantage.

10/19/17 True. I have no sympathy for people who don't make an effort and just whinge.

Amen to that brother! you'd think at some point these people would want more for themselves and take personal responsibility for it.

Most people are too ingrained now, Linda. You see it all around you. Everyday on the news. People crying about their lot in life and how they never deserve what they got. They want everything for free.

It's like I tell my daughter when it comes to her high school sports. "You're going to get out of it what you put in to in. If you merely show up and don't work for it, you'll never win. Mediocre work produces mediocre results."

You know it!

Or productive!

Aren't the parents equally responsible? I think this depends on the age of the student. At some point they have to become aware, as you have that the ultimate responsibility is theirs. But parenting may shield some students from learning this responsibility effectually crippling them. But there is hope for all to eventually learn. It took me lots of lessons!

This is also a personal choice though few young students are hungry to learn. I agree with you. But I also think teachers should only be responsible for teaching. Who do you think is responsible for fixing the mentioned problems with public schools and what do you think should be done and by whom? Or do you think they should flush it and stick with internet schooling? I'm very thankful that option is available now and maybe one of the best things to come out of the pandemic, other than ppe and better sanitation.

Firstly the leftist teachers, principles, admin, Education Board members, etc., need to be purged from the public school system. Until then, it will remain nothing more than a commie-socialist indoctrination camp, and government warehouse to contain the kiddies through the day. The education system needs to be overhauled. Useful classes needs to be emphasized, while useless classes either discouraged or eliminated. Oversight within classes needs to happen to prevent politicization by commie teachers...and within admin to prevent grift of the school budget. The teachers unions must be brought under control, to end their continued protection of bad teachers. School bullies must be held accountable, instead of ignored. Who is responsible for all this? I don't know. I do know if you ask the employees of the school system, from the lowest school janitor, to the teachers, to the highest official...not a one will accept any responsibility for the deplorable state of education in America....and not a one will cooperate in making the needful changes. Internet schooling at least gives lazy parents a bit more opportunity to monitor the lessons their kids are being taught, even if most will be too apathetic to take advantage. Home schooling is far better, in that it gives parents the most control over the lesson plan. Second best would be a sort of collective schooling, similar to 'Little House On The Prairie' sort, where likeminded parents pool their money, rent a one-room schoolhouse, hire a vetted (non-leftist) teacher, and approve all lesson plans in advance.

Well now we're no longer talking about public education. Unless you're not from America. This is higher education and usually costs money and is optional. Its another personal choice. And anyone can lose the hunger for learning anytime. I guess that's when perseverance and determination are called for, or maybe just a break. Trade schools or certificate programs are more linear, but earning a degree requires a slightly fuller roundness of education so to speak. You have to take your basics as well to get that degree.