lol, i'd say that their parents are a bit over protective to go and do that - but go ahead would be funny - but when they find out they may be mad :) :)

Parent's are liable for their 16 year old's actions. Are they paying for the car? Who is carrying the insurance? And lastly, trust is earned.

The tracking device itself is not a breach of trust, but not telling the driver is. Install the GPS (and a camera), but be honest about it.

Not if you don't mind the toilet cam they installed in your Master Bath.

If my 16 yr old had already broken my trust. I think it would be something I'd consider if there were serious problems involved, such as drinking and/or drugs or criminal behaviour.

I might do this to get an idea of whether I should be trusting what my child tells me. I might get the info from the GPS and ask my kids questions. If their answer did not match with the facts of the GPS I would have an idea how much I could be trusting my child. Cars can be dangerous and kids should only get them if they are responsible. I'm not going to give my kids the car just because they are a good lier if I have a tool to make sure they are telling me the truth.

The historical units are good, but expect an error rate. I found this out today when testing one.

Not in the least bit. I am going to use these very devices when I let my kids get their lisences at 17. It is your car and your insurance they're using. You have every right to know what they're doing and with whom. And that includes if they bought the car themselves since you're legal responsable for what they do till they're 18. You also have to be wary of the fact that kids use each other's cars. In fact a lot of teens are kiled while riding in their own cars when they let a friend drive it. Teens also need to understand that they have no right to privacy unless they're in the bathroom under the law. It's not they're trust in you that has to be earned it's your trust in them.

I don't think it would be wrong for a parent to do that if its their car, although I personally would prefer not to. I personally believe most children will try to do better if they feel trusted. Regardless, if it bothers you planting it there secretly, you could tell them it is there and maybe then it will act as a deterrent to misbehavior.

Who's car is it? Who's paying the insurance?

Not wrong, but very responsible. 16 year olds aren't famous for their judgment, and having a way to find them when they make a bad choice is useful for everybody. If it is proved that the kid is going only to safe places and driving responsibly, so much the better and the parents can extend more privilege without concern. Think of it as an opportunity to earn trust instead of having a constant check on whether it's being abused. Kids have too many opportunities to get into bad situations these days, and having a little backup available can be useful. Or, you could put the GPS on a stray dog and tie a burning bag to his tail and watch him run - that should give the folks a charge. Just kidding, folks.

I can understand your concerns because I am the mother of a teenage boy. But somewhere you just have to let go and hope that for the first 16 years of their life you instilled enough commonsense into them that they will do the right thing. They won't all the time but that is what learning is all about.

In accordance with trust.. tis your duty to know.

If the parents own the car or pay for the insurance and such, go for it. It's their responsibility to see that the car doesn't get into trouble and it's their responsibility to see that their underage child stay out of trouble, too.

Since laws vary world wide, I reccomend you check the legality in your area first. Here in Montreal, it is not illegal for a parent or guardian to do so, as long as it is for a minor (under 18) and not an adult, so it is not totally wrong. However, I feel it should be done WITH their knowledge.

This probably won't be a popular answer BUT if your child has given you any reason to doubt them or you think they are endangering themselves, do it. If my mom had done that I would have gotten in a lot less trouble

Well, if you're so worried, as any parent should be, don't you think 16 is a bit too young to own and drive a car?

If you don't trust the young person enough to behave appropriately, then they should have the keys in the first place.

If you do it without telling them, you have a problem. Tell them. They will hate it. But it will be the bug in their bonnet that keeps them safe. Eventually they will forgive you for caring, but they will never get over being lied to, spied on and treated with disrespect.

I think that it is for trust reasons. People say to their parents yeah i'm going to the movies and don't worry I won't speed. But with this if the parents believe that their child is lying, then it would be nessesary.

Trust is a two-way street, no pun intended. If the child has demonstrated that he goes places without telling his parents, and that he speeds and gets tickets, then the child broke the trust already. What the parent is doing is simply protecting an irresponsible child.

I think invasion of privacy is wrong..whether you go through your kid's things when he/she is not around, follow them when they go out, put tracking devices on them...if you expect to be treated with respect you must set an example to your child of providing respect..it is not a one-way street, and no matter how you justify it, it is a betrayal of trust...just my opinion, of course. Others may not agree with me.

I think it is wrong. It is sort of like going through someone's mail without their permission. Or like Big Brother in Orwell's "1984".

This probably wont get a very good response but as a mom to a 16 year old, I would do anything to protect my child. You know what you were like at 16 my dad put a govner on my car at 16 & I never could figure out why I couldn't go over 56 miles an hour in a 6 cylinder that was a very smart thing to do because at 16 you have a lead foot when you think no ones looking or you won't get in trouble. You can't help your kids if you don't know about the problem & I think I would rather hurt my childs feelings or pride if they found out I had one on it & then take the car away if they were misusing it then to bury the child. I wish they still made govners for cars where they won't go over a certain speed, I get a lil upset at my dad but I got over it. I knew he was just protecting me from myself & as a parent I think its our place to do that. I think its a parents place to protect your child no matter what you have to do. For me personally I would rather be safe then sorry.

It wouldn't go over well between the child and parent if it was ever found by the child, but... ...Exactly as the aforementioned... The parent is legally responsible for their child's actions--and MORALLY responsible to help make sure the child even lives to become an adult. I see no problem with it as far as legalities go, but come on... hide it well.

If the parents trusted the 16-yr old, no gps would be involved? What did you do to get it?

I think it is not improper for a parent to take what ever means seems necessary to protect the safety of their children.

I think it would be O.K. as long as you tell them. They are your kids until they are 18. Its like the old saying goes "If you live under my roof, you will obey my rules." This question gives me an idea for another one...thanx!

Theres nothing wrong with putting the device in, but not telling the kid is the problem. If I was being tracked without being told, I would disable the device as soon as possible, just to make a point.

there is no wrong in doing it ,as its parents responsiblity to safe gaurd his sons future and guide him in a right direction. sometimes breach of trust must be done to do that.

Paranoia alienates, its only a matter of time before he finds out. Maybe just sneaking out at night to visit a girlfriend. Sometimes you should just be allowed to get away with things for the sake of sanity. Personally I would flip if I found out they knew where I was all the time.

I would like to think I did all I could to keep my children safe and on the right path of life. Watching over them like GPS I think falls into this catagory. I also agree that trust is earned. Most of all I remember being 16 and it is a miracle I made it out alive. Teenagers in general, myself included when I was a teenager, do not have the character to make consistantly good choices. A periodic checking on them could save many from the results of poor choices. Im a dad of three children, though I don't get wierd about it, I do periodically check to see if the wool is being pulled over my eyes.

The only breach of trust involved in parenting is not knowing where your child is and who and what they are doing. A book tells a story and you cannot know what the story is until you open the book and read it cover to cover. You cannot be a good parent unless you know your child better than they know themselves. To be there for your child you must know where he is likely to go. So....when a childs wellbeing is in the mix knowledge is power and power is successful parenting. They have a lifetime to be a grown-up and a responsibilty to learn how. Put the device in the car and breath easier than you would with your head in the ground being polite.

I think it depends on who your child is. Are they rebelious?

How come it be wrong when a parent brings a life to this world he has both the duty and right to protect it. It is the most natural of all laws and can't anyhow be called a breach of trust cause its a relation about love,care and sense of belonging that every person feels for his/her children

Considering how kids drive nowadays, no. But if I was to do that my son would know.

Wouldn't be wrong. Especially if the parents paid for the car for this kids.

I would definetely consider that a breach of trust. If a parent has to resort to sticking a GPS system in their kid's car, they should definetely question their trust relationship with the teen.

Yes, it would be a violation of trust to do it without their knowledge. Trust should not have to be earned. It should be given freely. The only reason to distrust someone is when they have given you reason to doubt that trust. Only you can decide whether they have given a reason. If you trusted your child then, I believe, you would not have needed to ask this question. So I assume that they have given a reason for your doubt. In that case, I would sit them down and explain why you feel the need for the device and let them have a chance to start re-earning that trust.

If I had kids I'd do it. Forget the trust thing.

I have a 20 yr old that knew as long as I could trust him he got alot more opportunities to go. If he gave me reason to question his whereabouts and/or actions at age 16 I most certainly would have taken every measure needed to monitor him. Breach of trust? If you are asking what you asked, it sounds like the trust is already breeched.

My dear child,parents know what it is to be a child; but you do not know what it is to be a parent. The love of a child is the greatest love of all; likewise, the concern for a child is the greatest concern.

i WOULD SAY IT DEPENDS ON WHO PAYS FOR THE CAR, gas and insurance. Those facts by themselves demonstrate some level of responsibility, unless of course it's paid with dope money.

Yes it would be very wrong. if you cant trust your kid enough to let him go out then take the fuckin car. he dosnt need it if you cant trust him.

Not telling is a breach of trust. And If I was that 16yr old, I would be pissed. Very pissed.

i think in most places you are considered an adult at 16 so it would probably be against the law even though you are their parent, as it would be considered a form of stalking.

From an 18 year-old perspective I think it is extremely dishonest and creepy not to tell your child that you installed the device.

If the parents are letting them drive their car and let them get his/her license, then putting a GPS would be a breach of trust

Depends on who's car it is. My car (I'm paying for it.) My rules.

Without knowledge would be a complete violation of trust. With their knowledge would be fine, you have every right to do that, it's your car. If they don't want to drive with GPS that's their right as well. Besides, how would you use that information if you hide it from them? You wouldn't want to one day say you caught them speeding once because of the GPS that you planted in the car and reveal that you did this, would you? You would want to keep it a secret if they did something really bad. But what good would that really do? What good does comes from them not knowing you planted a GPS on their car? What the real benefit of using the GPS would be a deterrent for speeding or going anywhere you don't want them to go. There's no real benefit for not telling them you're doing this.

it all depends, if they find out , its a breach of trust if not its a useful way to find out if they're telling the truth about where they are going

I've put one on my bike. After having 18 bikes stolen, the tracking device would enable me to find the stolen bike.

yes it is wrong did that happen 2 you?

Ummm, it wouldn't be so bad if they knew, in fact, depending on your child's behavior, it could even be reasonable. But without their knowledge... have you read 1984...??

When I was 4 years old, I certainly would have needed a tracking device.

Dude once the kid finds out you are so in trouble cause the kid is going to yell at you for about an hour or so and you will lose his trust. ( Well that's what would happen if my mom did that to me)

You're asking if it would be wrong OR would it be a breach of trust. Not a lot of room for diverse answers there, but at least we know what side of the coin you come down on. My answer would be "C"--none of the above. Who paid for the car and the insurance? If it's my car and my insurance, I should be able to do anything I want with it. If the 16 year old earned the money to buy the car and pays for his or her own insurance--unlikely--then it arguably would be a privacy issue.

YES IT WOULD teens need space and the trust of there parents installing a GPS gives none of the above. Asking were they are going then saying have a nice time makes them feel trusted but if u install a GPS in there car without them knowing that just shows how much you cant trust your teen so dont give them a car. If you did then you didnt tell them and they found out think about how mad they would be :( :)

Well,it would have to depend on the trustworthiness and the maturity of the child,If he/she has given the parent probalble cause to then no it is not wrong.

put it there ONLY if you can trust yourself PROMISE to only check on them when you are genuinely worried if they are lost when i was 16 i lied ALL the time to my parents where i was (DID YOU DO THE SAME ? - BE HONEST NOW) but i NEVER got in trouble and i never hurt anyone when you are 16 you are enjoying the fact of exploring the world WITHOUT your parents (picture a baby bird first leaving the safety of it parents nest......) fit the unit if you wish - but DONT SPY on your kid - just be happy to see the little blip on the radar heading home to you.............good luck

option A: dont tell your kid, catch them in the act of doing something wrong and then actually discipline your kid. does it break trust, yes and no. you trusted your kid to have the car, which is a privilege not a right. in the best situation you just use it to keep up and make sure hes doing the right thing. option B: you tell your kid, they learn to turn it off and it looks as if they are always doing the right thing until you get a call from the juvenile detention center saying your child was doing whatever, in which its too late and the damage is done. i had friends who didn't tell there daughter that they were tracking her and caught her doing all kinds of things in the middle of the night and when they confronted her about it she tried hard as hell to lie her way through it(even though there was hard evidence)in the end they told her that she could still drive but she would have the tracker in the car at all times. she learned how to turn it off and after numerous accounts of placing it in hard to find places she ended up just breaking it. the option is up to you, your child is still your child and your responsibility and is more than likely at least a couple of decades younger than you. don't let your kid convince you that they they are smarter than you and actually discipline them, dont let there be an opportunity where hind-site tells you what was the right decision. be wise and remember what kind of stuff you regret doing and how stupid you were when you were their age.

Thoroughly up to the parent. There are devices that record where the car goes, how often the accelerator is pressed and how hard. This will help determine if the kid is dogging your ride. You could actually tell them about it, but, say it's for when you take the car to the shop so you can determine if a mechanic is treating your car badly or that you're doing it for yourselves so you can monitor your driving habits so you can learn to conserve fuel effectively. Gas isn't cheap these days. Not telling them about it will make him or her not trust you if they find out about it, but hey, this is a teenager we're talking about. They already think you're the embarrising bane of their existence. Just kidding.

You can think about breach of trust after your kid listens to his friends drinks, drives, gets into an accident or kills someone. My kids are all great kids and all have good grades, but I would still keep them on their toes just to keep them honest. Trust is definitely earned.

Ok ill answer for my gen o ration :P Im 18 and I speed like im always being chased by the cops! But! If you do get the tracker you'll do a few things. You'll make it so like you said they won't trust you for a long while even if they DO understand that it was for their sake. Also you need to allow your kid to make mistakes. I made mine but unfortunately I got a faster car each time :P(Wrecked my junker,abused the next one till it randomly stopped, and now my new car i got a speedin ticket) but like I said everyone knows that it will happen you just have to hope that they are lucky and will learn before something bad happens.

hello, no,i think its perfectly right for a parent to do this,theyre worried about their childrens safty,id do it!i see nothing wrong with ths.

I think it's a major breech of trust. With that said, I did some stupid things in my car when I was 16. If I KNEW the device was there it would deter me from doing those things. However, If it gets brought to my attention that it was hidden then that trust would be gone. You really don't want to ruin that between the ages of 15-20 because when a really serious question needs to be answered, he will not trust you to get your advice. Also, these things are so easily defeated. Most plug into the OBDII port on the computer and can easily be removed and/or left at the destination where your kid should supposed to be. You really have to ask yourself, how tech savvy are you compared to him?

A lot of cars these days have that built in, or so I've heard.

It a breach of trust because u did not tell him. But u wanting to keep him safe is ok. But it would be a big enough turn off for me to take a cab instead. Or get my friends to get a car. Might as well as u be in the car with them right?

I think it's a great idea. A 16 year old can't own a car, so the car belongs to the parents anyway. They should be able to track their property if they want to. In addition, it adds a layer of safety. If the kids are where they say they are going to be, there isn't an issue anyway. If they can't be trusted, this only adds in aiding the parents.

No, they are a child. Yes I understand trust and all that, but I still need to know where they are. If my parents would of done that to me at 16 I would be in deep deep trouble. I was all over Philadelphia when I told them I was just 2 blocks always. Man, did I enjoy being 16!!!

i think it would be a complete breach of trust. how ever if you honostly felt that your childs health was indanger. i suppose there could be an exception

yes, your 16 and haven't had much driving expierence if I had the money I would do the same thing for my kids when i'm older. if they buy the car by all means I wouldn't plant a GPS tracking system in there car if they are responsible enough to get the money

It is not considered a breach of trust. You are the parent, you are responsible for your children. You are supposed to keep them safe. Your child might tell you that you don't trust them, and thats fine. When they are older and understand the concept, they will thank you. If you put the GPS on the vehicle, and after a few months of tracking you notice that they don't go anywhere you don't want them too, and that they drive the speed limit, your question is answered. Remove the GPS, its just giving you a piece of mind, and your worries will subside a little. Go for it!!!!

Yes. If you do this, you'll teach your child that lying is acceptable. You may expect your new driver to earn your trust, but respect and trust are two way streets. Sneaking a GPS into the car will also have the opposite effect of what you intend--children of overly restrictive parents tend to be more disobedient and secretive because they feel that their parents will say no to every request, no matter how small. Also, children tend to do what you expect of them. If you communicate that you believe they can be good safe drivers, then they will be. If you tell them they are bad, then they will be. If you feel that your child isn't a trustworthy driver, talk to him or her about the particular improvements you'd like to see in their driving. And if you really feel the need to monitor their driving, they'll be more likely tO drive safely if you tell them there's a GPS in the car.

no im all for it. man when i was 16 and had a cell phone i would tell my parents what they wanted to hear but i would be somewhere where i shouldnt have been, which came back to bite me in the a** a few times. but if they do find out about it all they'll do is park there car where they want you to think they are and then hop in a friends car and go where they want without you knowing.

yes they hav the right to do that, but it will make the son or daughter become more aggresive towards his/ her family. he/she may not like that when he/she will know that. so it would be best for his parents to do this thing with the knowledge of his son/daughter, which will make the family bonding more stronger.

Depends on the kid, has been cought going to faast been in the wrong places??